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I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small to
medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a good candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of objects are very high (>2.GB AD DB size). I have found some drawbacks like there is no GPMC for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side Windows 2003 Sp2 Support Tools while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, the supported OS Section says it works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a lil confusing. So i feel at this time using X64 DC's for small companies is not a great idea and also includes administrative bottlenecks. Any additional thoughts or experiences?? Greg,
Greg schrieb: > I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small to Pros that I see with x64 DCs:> medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a good > candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of objects are very > high (>2.GB AD DB size). - Can host more RAM = large parts of the database file can be held in memory - LDAP queries can be processed faster - x64 is "the future" - you won't be able to upgrade easily (server 2008R2 comes 64bit-only!). - overall performance is slightly better > I have found some drawbacks like there is no GPMC Yeah, those are the cons. The question is: will you be managing the > for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side Windows 2003 Sp2 Support Tools > while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, the supported OS Section says it > works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a lil confusing. So i feel at this time > using X64 DC's for small companies is not a great idea and also includes > administrative bottlenecks. DC/DCs in questions locally? Isn't it that in smaller companies that there are few admins who run those admin tools locally on their machines? You can - without any issues - use x64bit admin tools installed on a client for administering 32bit DCs and systems. If it's just the management tools that you're concerned about, go for 64bit. You can manage the DCs and servers from workstations if necessary. Cheers, Florian -- Microsoft MVP - Group Policy eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net. blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog. Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste Yeah, remote management is always an option, however you need to have a X64 version of Vista for remotely manging the x64 DC's right. So basically we are talking about additional cost of buying another x64 vista client for remote administration.
Got to review this again...Thanks for your comments! Regards Show quoteHide quote "Florian Frommherz [MVP]" <flor***@frickelsoft.DELETETHIS.net> wrote in message news:eTefO16%23JHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Greg, > > Greg schrieb: >> I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small to >> medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a good >> candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of objects are very >> high (>2.GB AD DB size). > > Pros that I see with x64 DCs: > - Can host more RAM = large parts of the database file can be held in memory > - LDAP queries can be processed faster > - x64 is "the future" - you won't be able to upgrade easily (server > 2008R2 comes 64bit-only!). > - overall performance is slightly better > >> I have found some drawbacks like there is no GPMC >> for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side Windows 2003 Sp2 Support Tools >> while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, the supported OS Section says it >> works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a lil confusing. So i feel at this time >> using X64 DC's for small companies is not a great idea and also includes >> administrative bottlenecks. > > Yeah, those are the cons. The question is: will you be managing the > DC/DCs in questions locally? Isn't it that in smaller companies that > there are few admins who run those admin tools locally on their > machines? You can - without any issues - use x64bit admin tools > installed on a client for administering 32bit DCs and systems. If it's > just the management tools that you're concerned about, go for 64bit. > > You can manage the DCs and servers from workstations if necessary. > > Cheers, > Florian > -- > Microsoft MVP - Group Policy > eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net. > blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog. > Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste Howdie!
Greg schrieb: > Yeah, remote management is always an option, however you need to have a Nah - Vista 32bit works well. You can manage the machines with 32bit > X64 version of Vista for remotely manging the x64 DC's right. So > basically we are talking about additional cost of buying another x64 > vista client for remote administration. management software. Cheers, Florian -- Microsoft MVP - Group Policy eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net. blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog. Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste I'm not following where you feel the 64bit DC cannot be managed from a
32bit client. Most of the tools such as DNS, DHCP, WINS are all still 32bit applications and there is still an Adminpak that can be installed on the clients. I've never had a problem managing an SBS 2008 server which is only available in x64. We are able to use 32bit Vista machines and Windows 7 as well. Plus you always have MSTSC for RDP access. In a small shop there should be little reason to be on the server frequently anyway. I think you would be doing yourself a disservice to not purchase 64bit. As was stated above, it can handle more memory. So even if you don't need more than 4GB NOW, in the future you may. So why not give yourself the option to be able to install more memory down the road? You will also be unable to upgrade to a newer OS down the road if you are on 32bit since future OSes will all be x64. Hope that helps, Mark D. MacLachlan FYI the 32bit and 64 bit versions should cost exactly the same.
-- Mark Parris MVP-Active Directory-Directory Services:Architecture [ADUG] UK Active Active Directory User Group http://adug.co.uk "Greg" <G***@live.com> wrote in message Yeah, remote management is always an option, however you need to have a X64 news:Oe2Y6K%23%23JHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... version of Vista for remotely manging the x64 DC's right. So basically we are talking about additional cost of buying another x64 vista client for remote administration. Got to review this again...Thanks for your comments! Regards Show quoteHide quote "Florian Frommherz [MVP]" <flor***@frickelsoft.DELETETHIS.net> wrote in message news:eTefO16%23JHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Greg, > > Greg schrieb: >> I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small to >> medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a good >> candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of objects are >> very >> high (>2.GB AD DB size). > > Pros that I see with x64 DCs: > - Can host more RAM = large parts of the database file can be held in > memory > - LDAP queries can be processed faster > - x64 is "the future" - you won't be able to upgrade easily (server > 2008R2 comes 64bit-only!). > - overall performance is slightly better > >> I have found some drawbacks like there is no GPMC >> for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side Windows 2003 Sp2 Support >> Tools >> while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, the supported OS Section says it >> works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a lil confusing. So i feel at this time >> using X64 DC's for small companies is not a great idea and also includes >> administrative bottlenecks. > > Yeah, those are the cons. The question is: will you be managing the > DC/DCs in questions locally? Isn't it that in smaller companies that > there are few admins who run those admin tools locally on their > machines? You can - without any issues - use x64bit admin tools > installed on a client for administering 32bit DCs and systems. If it's > just the management tools that you're concerned about, go for 64bit. > > You can manage the DCs and servers from workstations if necessary. > > Cheers, > Florian > -- > Microsoft MVP - Group Policy > eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net. > blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog. > Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste Hello Greg,
I fully agree with Florian, if the small disadvantages can be solved with admin workstations from you, go for it. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm Show quoteHide quote > I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small > to medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a > good candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of > objects are very high (>2.GB AD DB size). I have found some drawbacks > like there is no GPMC for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side > Windows 2003 Sp2 Support Tools while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, > the supported OS Section says it works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a > lil confusing. So i feel at this time using X64 DC's for small > companies is not a great idea and also includes administrative > bottlenecks. > > Any additional thoughts or experiences?? > I'm confused slightly because all of the tools that you need to manage a
64-bit server exist within Windows server and they also exist for 32 and 64 bit clients. I still have a couple of legacy 32bit 2003 server systems but I would recommend you go 64bit. Windows 2008 Server is your last server OS that will support 32bit and even Exchange doesn't work 32bit (in production) now. Duncan Show quoteHide quote "Greg" <G***@live.com> wrote in message news:O6qUZb6%23JHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I am looking for some pros and cons of using 64 bit DC's for a small to >medium sized companies. My understanding is that a 64 bit DC is a good >candidate for only Large AD Deployments where the number of objects are >very high (>2.GB AD DB size). I have found some drawbacks like there is no >GPMC for 64 bit, no Reskit Tools, on the flip side Windows 2003 Sp2 Support >Tools while it says is applicable for 32 Bit, the supported OS Section says >it works on 64 bit of w2k3, which is a lil confusing. So i feel at this >time using X64 DC's for small companies is not a great idea and also >includes administrative bottlenecks. > > Any additional thoughts or experiences?? > 
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