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Fsmo questionI'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 domain and
my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it off-line by shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer fsmo roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain before the SBS box shutdown. Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC before the SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to seize all fsmo roles after the shutdown? Thanks I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with SBS so
take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new domain in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You can't run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. Show quoteHide quote "pdx" wrote: > I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 domain and > my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it off-line by > shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer fsmo > roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain before the > SBS box shutdown. > > Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC before the > SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to seize all > fsmo roles after the shutdown? > > Thanks 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of
those mentioned are factual. -- Show quoteHide quote/kj "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with SBS > so > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new > domain > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You > can't > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. > > "pdx" wrote: > >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 domain >> and >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it off-line >> by >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer fsmo >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain before >> the >> SBS box shutdown. >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC before >> the >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to seize >> all >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? >> >> Thanks There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS:
The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to establish explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create child domains. You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be set up as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 Show quoteHide quote "kj" wrote: > 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of > those mentioned are factual. > > -- > /kj > "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... > > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with SBS > > so > > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new > > domain > > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You > > can't > > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. > > > > "pdx" wrote: > > > >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 domain > >> and > >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it off-line > >> by > >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer fsmo > >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain before > >> the > >> SBS box shutdown. > >> > >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC before > >> the > >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to seize > >> all > >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? > >> > >> Thanks > > > 100% right! ( and expanding a little, the SBS server must have all 5 FSMO
roles and be a GC) There's also licensing restrictions about all SBS components installed on and only on the SBS server. -- Show quoteHide quote/kj "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:29667067-3D2C-46AC-9ACA-B734318AD74A@microsoft.com... > There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS: > The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be > integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to establish > explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory > domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create > child > domains. > > You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small > Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be set > up > as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 > > > "kj" wrote: > >> 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of >> those mentioned are factual. >> >> -- >> /kj >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... >> > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with >> > SBS >> > so >> > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new >> > domain >> > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You >> > can't >> > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. >> > >> > "pdx" wrote: >> > >> >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 >> >> domain >> >> and >> >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it >> >> off-line >> >> by >> >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer >> >> fsmo >> >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain >> >> before >> >> the >> >> SBS box shutdown. >> >> >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC >> >> before >> >> the >> >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to >> >> seize >> >> all >> >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> So, that being the case you could not "upgrade" you existing SBS domain to a
2003 Standard server domain right? Show quoteHide quote "kj" wrote: > 100% right! ( and expanding a little, the SBS server must have all 5 FSMO > roles and be a GC) > > There's also licensing restrictions about all SBS components installed on > and only on the SBS server. > > -- > /kj > "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:29667067-3D2C-46AC-9ACA-B734318AD74A@microsoft.com... > > There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS: > > The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be > > integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to establish > > explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory > > domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create > > child > > domains. > > > > You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small > > Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be set > > up > > as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 > > > > > > "kj" wrote: > > > >> 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of > >> those mentioned are factual. > >> > >> -- > >> /kj > >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... > >> > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with > >> > SBS > >> > so > >> > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new > >> > domain > >> > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You > >> > can't > >> > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. > >> > > >> > "pdx" wrote: > >> > > >> >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 > >> >> domain > >> >> and > >> >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it > >> >> off-line > >> >> by > >> >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer > >> >> fsmo > >> >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain > >> >> before > >> >> the > >> >> SBS box shutdown. > >> >> > >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC > >> >> before > >> >> the > >> >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to > >> >> seize > >> >> all > >> >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > > > Fully supported.
See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555073/en-us -- Show quoteHide quote/kj "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:15382B40-CE7A-4DA1-8633-89A42F57C478@microsoft.com... > So, that being the case you could not "upgrade" you existing SBS domain to > a > 2003 Standard server domain right? > > "kj" wrote: > >> 100% right! ( and expanding a little, the SBS server must have all 5 FSMO >> roles and be a GC) >> >> There's also licensing restrictions about all SBS components installed on >> and only on the SBS server. >> >> -- >> /kj >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:29667067-3D2C-46AC-9ACA-B734318AD74A@microsoft.com... >> > There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS: >> > The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be >> > integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to >> > establish >> > explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory >> > domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create >> > child >> > domains. >> > >> > You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small >> > Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be >> > set >> > up >> > as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. >> > >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 >> > >> > >> > "kj" wrote: >> > >> >> 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none >> >> of >> >> those mentioned are factual. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /kj >> >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... >> >> > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with >> >> > SBS >> >> > so >> >> > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a >> >> > new >> >> > domain >> >> > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. >> >> > You >> >> > can't >> >> > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. >> >> > >> >> > "pdx" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 >> >> >> domain >> >> >> and >> >> >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it >> >> >> off-line >> >> >> by >> >> >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer >> >> >> fsmo >> >> >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain >> >> >> before >> >> >> the >> >> >> SBS box shutdown. >> >> >> >> >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC >> >> >> before >> >> >> the >> >> >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to >> >> >> seize >> >> >> all >> >> >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My SBS 2000 domain has other 2000 DCs running and will have a 2003 DC added
before the retirement of the SBS machine. All other necessary components (i.e.: Exchange Server, SQL Server, etc) have been broken out to other machines. From what I have been able to find out, if the SBS box isn't the root DC of the domain (done by permanently removing/shutting down the SBS box) then you no longer have an SBS domain - which I don't want/need anymore - but as I far as I know the domain still exists and will continue to function once the fsmo roles are seized by another machine. Is that not true? Based on the replies the belief is that none of the fsmo roles can be moved before the retirement of the SBS box and they will have to be seized by the new 2003 DC. Thanks Show quoteHide quote "kj" wrote: > 100% right! ( and expanding a little, the SBS server must have all 5 FSMO > roles and be a GC) > > There's also licensing restrictions about all SBS components installed on > and only on the SBS server. > > -- > /kj > "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:29667067-3D2C-46AC-9ACA-B734318AD74A@microsoft.com... > > There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS: > > The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be > > integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to establish > > explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory > > domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create > > child > > domains. > > > > You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small > > Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be set > > up > > as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 > > > > > > "kj" wrote: > > > >> 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of > >> those mentioned are factual. > >> > >> -- > >> /kj > >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... > >> > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with > >> > SBS > >> > so > >> > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new > >> > domain > >> > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You > >> > can't > >> > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. > >> > > >> > "pdx" wrote: > >> > > >> >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 > >> >> domain > >> >> and > >> >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it > >> >> off-line > >> >> by > >> >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer > >> >> fsmo > >> >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain > >> >> before > >> >> the > >> >> SBS box shutdown. > >> >> > >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC > >> >> before > >> >> the > >> >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to > >> >> seize > >> >> all > >> >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > > > I know in a full Standard 2000/2003 domain you can recover any of the FSMO
roles by forcing the move. Basically if a DC died it had an FSMO role on it and you did not want to go through the hassle if restoring it you could move that FSMO. How this pertains to SBS and any problems you may run into, that unfortunately I can’t answer. I guess you could shut down the SBS server and try to recover the roles, if it does not work boot it back up? In any case GOOD LUCK! Show quoteHide quote "pdx" wrote: > My SBS 2000 domain has other 2000 DCs running and will have a 2003 DC added > before the retirement of the SBS machine. > All other necessary components (i.e.: Exchange Server, SQL Server, etc) have > been broken out to other machines. > > From what I have been able to find out, if the SBS box isn't the root DC of > the domain (done by permanently removing/shutting down the SBS box) then you > no longer have an SBS domain - which I don't want/need anymore - but as I far > as I know the domain still exists and will continue to function once the fsmo > roles are seized by another machine. Is that not true? > > Based on the replies the belief is that none of the fsmo roles can be moved > before the retirement of the SBS box and they will have to be seized by the > new 2003 DC. > > Thanks > > "kj" wrote: > > > 100% right! ( and expanding a little, the SBS server must have all 5 FSMO > > roles and be a GC) > > > > There's also licensing restrictions about all SBS components installed on > > and only on the SBS server. > > > > -- > > /kj > > "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:29667067-3D2C-46AC-9ACA-B734318AD74A@microsoft.com... > > > There are some deffinate limmitations to SBS: > > > The server is a single-domain solution, which is not intended to be > > > integrated with other Windows domains. You are not permitted to establish > > > explicit trusts to other Microsoft Windows NT nor to Active Directory > > > domains. Also, Small Business Server 2000 does not enable you to create > > > child > > > domains. > > > > > > You can have other domain controllers and member servers in your Small > > > Business Server network, however, Small Business Server 2000 must be set > > > up > > > as the root domain controller of a Microsoft Active Directory forest. > > > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=295765 > > > > > > > > > "kj" wrote: > > > > > >> 100% wrong on that one BMoritz. While SBS does have restrictions, none of > > >> those mentioned are factual. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> /kj > > >> "BMoritz" <BMor***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:DD3EF050-865D-4BAD-ABC4-67DF7132207B@microsoft.com... > > >> > I'm not 100% sure on this, its been a while since I have worked with > > >> > SBS > > >> > so > > >> > take this for what its worth. You will probably have to bring up a new > > >> > domain > > >> > in parallel. The whole point of SBS is that it is your ONLY server. You > > >> > can't > > >> > run other Domain Controllers etc. in the domain. > > >> > > > >> > "pdx" wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> I'm going to be upgrading a SBS 2000 domain to a full windows 2003 > > >> >> domain > > >> >> and > > >> >> my last step is going to be retiring the SBS box - by taking it > > >> >> off-line > > >> >> by > > >> >> shutting it down - and I have a question about how to best transfer > > >> >> fsmo > > >> >> roles to a windows 2003 DC that will be introduced to the domain > > >> >> before > > >> >> the > > >> >> SBS box shutdown. > > >> >> > > >> >> Can I move any of the fsmo roles from the SBS box to the 2003 DC > > >> >> before > > >> >> the > > >> >> SBS box is shutdown? If so, which ones? Or does the 2003 DC have to > > >> >> seize > > >> >> all > > >> >> fsmo roles after the shutdown? > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > |
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