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5 Mar 2006 4:41 AM
Spin
Experts,

I want to delegate a bunch of junior admins to do stuff like add/remove
computers to the domain, create/delete/disable user accounts but NOT be
domain admins.  I know I have to use Delegation of Control.  But what icon
do I right-click on to start the Delegation of Control Wizard?  And what
options do I pick in the wizard to get these options?

--
Spin

Author
5 Mar 2006 5:46 AM
Arek Iskra [MVP]
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"Spin" <S***@spin.com> wrote in message
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> Experts,
>
> I want to delegate a bunch of junior admins to do stuff like add/remove
> computers to the domain, create/delete/disable user accounts but NOT be
> domain admins.  I know I have to use Delegation of Control.  But what icon
> do I right-click on to start the Delegation of Control Wizard?  And what
> options do I pick in the wizard to get these options?
>
> --
> Spin
>
>

You need to use Active Directory Users and Computers snap-in to get to the
wizard. Here's more info:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/technologies/directory/activedirectory/stepbystep/ctrlwiz.mspx


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Arek Iskra
MVP for Windows Server - Software Distribution
Author
5 Mar 2006 11:09 AM
Paul Williams [MVP]
Where you delegate control depends on how you wish to scope such
delegations.  For example, if you wish to have one or two users manage a
business unit that is represented by an OU (with child OUs, possibly), you
set the permissions on this OU (you can either run delegwiz or just set the
permissions yourself).  If you want some domain-wide delegated admins you
set the permissions at the domain level.

Search Microsoft's website for the Active Directory best practices guide to
delegation and it's appendix.  There's a lot to read, but it is worth it so
persevere.

--
Paul Williams
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server - Directory Services
http://www.msresource.net | http://forums.msresource.net
Author
5 Mar 2006 7:49 PM
Cary Shultz
Spin,

In addition to what PaulW has stated....

Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really no
place where you can look to see what things you have changed other than the
objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report' that is created
when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really need to document this
so that you will know exactly who (better to use groups than user account
objects) has been given what!

--
Cary W. Shultz
Roanoke, VA  24012

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"Spin" <S***@spin.com> wrote in message
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> Experts,
>
> I want to delegate a bunch of junior admins to do stuff like add/remove
> computers to the domain, create/delete/disable user accounts but NOT be
> domain admins.  I know I have to use Delegation of Control.  But what icon
> do I right-click on to start the Delegation of Control Wizard?  And what
> options do I pick in the wizard to get these options?
>
> --
> Spin
>
>
Author
6 Mar 2006 4:45 AM
Ace Fekay [MVP]
In news:e1kuz3IQGHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Cary Shultz <cwshu***@mvps.org> stated, which I commented on below:
> Spin,
>
> In addition to what PaulW has stated....
>
> Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really
> no place where you can look to see what things you have changed other
> than the objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report'
> that is created when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really
> need to document this so that you will know exactly who (better to
> use groups than user account objects) has been given what!

Excellent point, Cary.

I would like to add, there is no "undelegate" wizard. So if a delegated user
were to change their job and were to be moved to a different OU, (assuming
the delegated user was picked out of the OU they are to delegate), their
permissions still remain and they can still alter objects. One would need to
go into the Security tab of the OU (Adv View) to manually remove them.

Just an FYI, when I demo delegations in a classroom setting by picking a
user in a specific OU, I would then move the delegated user to a different
OU. I will then ask the class if the delegated user I just moved still has
control in the OU I just moved them from. Surprisingly, about 75% or more
think they no longer have permissions to that OU because I moved them, and
the class usually consists of current AD network administrators or IT
managers.

--
Ace

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confers no rights.

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Newsgroups. It is FREE and requires NO ISP's Usenet account. OEx allows you
to easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's name,
watched threads or subject.

It's easy:
How to Configure OEx for Internet News
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Microsoft Certified Trainer

Assimilation Imminent. Resistance is Futile
Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations

"Very funny Scotty.  Now, beam down my clothes."

The only thing in life is change. Anything more is a blackhole consuming
unnecessary energy.
Author
6 Mar 2006 5:18 AM
kj
DSREVOKE can document (/report) the delegations to domain objects and OU's
and also "revoke" them (genrally).

It's not a "wizard" by any means, unless you compare it to searching and
documenting by hand.

--
/kj
"Ace Fekay [MVP]"
<PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameH***@hotmail.com> wrote in
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message news:ukA7GiNQGHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> In news:e1kuz3IQGHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> Cary Shultz <cwshu***@mvps.org> stated, which I commented on below:
>> Spin,
>>
>> In addition to what PaulW has stated....
>>
>> Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really
>> no place where you can look to see what things you have changed other
>> than the objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report'
>> that is created when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really
>> need to document this so that you will know exactly who (better to
>> use groups than user account objects) has been given what!
>
> Excellent point, Cary.
>
> I would like to add, there is no "undelegate" wizard. So if a delegated
> user were to change their job and were to be moved to a different OU,
> (assuming the delegated user was picked out of the OU they are to
> delegate), their permissions still remain and they can still alter
> objects. One would need to go into the Security tab of the OU (Adv View)
> to manually remove them.
>
> Just an FYI, when I demo delegations in a classroom setting by picking a
> user in a specific OU, I would then move the delegated user to a different
> OU. I will then ask the class if the delegated user I just moved still has
> control in the OU I just moved them from. Surprisingly, about 75% or more
> think they no longer have permissions to that OU because I moved them, and
> the class usually consists of current AD network administrators or IT
> managers.
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post?
> Instead of the website you're using, I suggest to use OEx (Outlook Express
> or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing to
> news.microsoft.com. This is a direct link to the Microsoft Public
> Newsgroups. It is FREE and requires NO ISP's Usenet account. OEx allows
> you to easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's
> name, watched threads or subject.
>
> It's easy:
> How to Configure OEx for Internet News
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>
> Assimilation Imminent. Resistance is Futile
> Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations
>
> "Very funny Scotty.  Now, beam down my clothes."
>
> The only thing in life is change. Anything more is a blackhole consuming
> unnecessary energy.
>
>
>
>
Author
6 Mar 2006 9:46 AM
Cary Shultz
Dang it!

KJ, you have posted that once.  I forgot about that.  Thank you for
'reminding' me!

--
Cary W. Shultz
Roanoke, VA  24012

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"kj" <k*@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> DSREVOKE can document (/report) the delegations to domain objects and OU's
> and also "revoke" them (genrally).
>
> It's not a "wizard" by any means, unless you compare it to searching and
> documenting by hand.
>
> --
> /kj
> "Ace Fekay [MVP]"
> <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameH***@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:ukA7GiNQGHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> In news:e1kuz3IQGHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>> Cary Shultz <cwshu***@mvps.org> stated, which I commented on below:
>>> Spin,
>>>
>>> In addition to what PaulW has stated....
>>>
>>> Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really
>>> no place where you can look to see what things you have changed other
>>> than the objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report'
>>> that is created when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really
>>> need to document this so that you will know exactly who (better to
>>> use groups than user account objects) has been given what!
>>
>> Excellent point, Cary.
>>
>> I would like to add, there is no "undelegate" wizard. So if a delegated
>> user were to change their job and were to be moved to a different OU,
>> (assuming the delegated user was picked out of the OU they are to
>> delegate), their permissions still remain and they can still alter
>> objects. One would need to go into the Security tab of the OU (Adv View)
>> to manually remove them.
>>
>> Just an FYI, when I demo delegations in a classroom setting by picking a
>> user in a specific OU, I would then move the delegated user to a
>> different OU. I will then ask the class if the delegated user I just
>> moved still has control in the OU I just moved them from. Surprisingly,
>> about 75% or more think they no longer have permissions to that OU
>> because I moved them, and the class usually consists of current AD
>> network administrators or IT managers.
>>
>> --
>> Ace
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post?
>> Instead of the website you're using, I suggest to use OEx (Outlook
>> Express or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing
>> to news.microsoft.com. This is a direct link to the Microsoft Public
>> Newsgroups. It is FREE and requires NO ISP's Usenet account. OEx allows
>> you to easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's
>> name, watched threads or subject.
>>
>> It's easy:
>> How to Configure OEx for Internet News
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164
>>
>> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
>> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>>
>> Assimilation Imminent. Resistance is Futile
>> Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations
>>
>> "Very funny Scotty.  Now, beam down my clothes."
>>
>> The only thing in life is change. Anything more is a blackhole consuming
>> unnecessary energy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
6 Mar 2006 4:17 PM
kj
I have that same problem - I can't remember the name. Probably looked in the
'toolbox' for half an hour before re-discovering it.

--
/kj
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"Cary Shultz" <cwshu***@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Dang it!
>
> KJ, you have posted that once.  I forgot about that.  Thank you for
> 'reminding' me!
>
> --
> Cary W. Shultz
> Roanoke, VA  24012
>
> "kj" <k*@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uwkJa1NQGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> DSREVOKE can document (/report) the delegations to domain objects and
>> OU's and also "revoke" them (genrally).
>>
>> It's not a "wizard" by any means, unless you compare it to searching and
>> documenting by hand.
>>
>> --
>> /kj
>> "Ace Fekay [MVP]"
>> <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameH***@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:ukA7GiNQGHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:e1kuz3IQGHA.564@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>> Cary Shultz <cwshu***@mvps.org> stated, which I commented on below:
>>>> Spin,
>>>>
>>>> In addition to what PaulW has stated....
>>>>
>>>> Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really
>>>> no place where you can look to see what things you have changed other
>>>> than the objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report'
>>>> that is created when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really
>>>> need to document this so that you will know exactly who (better to
>>>> use groups than user account objects) has been given what!
>>>
>>> Excellent point, Cary.
>>>
>>> I would like to add, there is no "undelegate" wizard. So if a delegated
>>> user were to change their job and were to be moved to a different OU,
>>> (assuming the delegated user was picked out of the OU they are to
>>> delegate), their permissions still remain and they can still alter
>>> objects. One would need to go into the Security tab of the OU (Adv View)
>>> to manually remove them.
>>>
>>> Just an FYI, when I demo delegations in a classroom setting by picking a
>>> user in a specific OU, I would then move the delegated user to a
>>> different OU. I will then ask the class if the delegated user I just
>>> moved still has control in the OU I just moved them from. Surprisingly,
>>> about 75% or more think they no longer have permissions to that OU
>>> because I moved them, and the class usually consists of current AD
>>> network administrators or IT managers.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ace
>>>
>>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>>> confers no rights.
>>>
>>> Having difficulty reading or finding responses to your post?
>>> Instead of the website you're using, I suggest to use OEx (Outlook
>>> Express or any other newsreader), and configure a news account, pointing
>>> to news.microsoft.com. This is a direct link to the Microsoft Public
>>> Newsgroups. It is FREE and requires NO ISP's Usenet account. OEx allows
>>> you to easily find, track threads, cross-post, sort by date, poster's
>>> name, watched threads or subject.
>>>
>>> It's easy:
>>> How to Configure OEx for Internet News
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=171164
>>>
>>> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
>>> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
>>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>>>
>>> Assimilation Imminent. Resistance is Futile
>>> Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations
>>>
>>> "Very funny Scotty.  Now, beam down my clothes."
>>>
>>> The only thing in life is change. Anything more is a blackhole consuming
>>> unnecessary energy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
8 Mar 2006 3:59 AM
Ace Fekay [MVP]
In news:%23mLpylTQGHA.5560@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
kj <k*@nowhere.com> stated, which I commented on below:
> I have that same problem - I can't remember the name. Probably looked
> in the 'toolbox' for half an hour before re-discovering it.

I forgot about that guy too! Thanks KJ!

Ace
Author
6 Mar 2006 1:28 PM
NickvW
Cary Shultz wrote:
> Spin,
>
> In addition to what PaulW has stated....
>
> Please note that if you do use the Delegation Wizard there is really no
> place where you can look to see what things you have changed other than the
> objects themselves.  In other words, there is no 'report' that is created
> when you use the Delegation Wizard.  You will really need to document this
> so that you will know exactly who (better to use groups than user account
> objects) has been given what!
>
This will create reports of delegations...

http://www.scriptlogic.com/products/activeadmin/

Nick vW